so, i can give you gain without pain, and he wants you to have pain today for someone else's tax gains. it's a hard case to make now. >> all right, so your book, though, examines the winners, the losers of the last 60 years of presidential campaigns. at this point in time, what are your predictions for what we see coming up next month? >> well, i see now -- romney did more than i thought he could in the first debate. his big job was to get people to say maybe there's more to him than i thought, and he immediately brought back the uncomfortable republicans, but he also opened everybody else's eyes. and it wasn't just the untruths he may have told. he also said some truths that are very powerful, and one of them was i can work with democrats and i've proved that in massachusetts and you can't work with republicans. now, there's a reason, there's a difference between flexible democrats and rigid republicans, but he has to find a way to make the case that he can keep and get more done than mitt romney, and that mitt romney is really the original release or release two, not the new mitt rom